Wednesday, July 6, 2011

Christian Nation?

In the week following the celebration of our nation’s birthday, I am hearing quite a few folks hating on America; its president, legal-system (the jurors who handed down a not-guilty murder verdict for Casey Anthony), and our country’s straying from its founding principles. I’m finding it a little discouraging. Just a couple of nights ago I was gazing at fireworks and listening to “God Bless America” being played over loud speakers at a football stadium and now I’m hearing television reporters declare that “the devil is dancing” as he celebrates all that America has become.

I have always found it interesting that people refer to this country as a ‘Christian nation’. To be honest, I wonder if it ever was. I appreciate those that have gone before us and been committed to the Lord Jesus Christ. However, has this nation ever really been “Christian”?

Please take a few moments to look at the following quotes from some of this nation’s founding fathers and others who’ve helped, or seem to be helping to, shape this country:

“Mystery [the divinity of Jesus Christ] is made a convenient Cover for absurdity.” – John Adams

“The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession.” – Abraham Lincoln

“If I should go out of church whenever I hear a false sentiment, I could never stay there five minutes.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson

“This story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple, by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up.” – Thomas Paine

“The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.” – George Bernard Shaw

“But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” – Thomas Jefferson

“Every other sect supposes itself in possession of all truth, and that those who differ are so far in the wrong; like a man traveling in foggy weather, those at some distance before him on the road he sees wrapped up in the fog, as well as those behind him, and also the people in the fields on either side, but near him all appears clear, tho’ in truth he is as much in the fog as any of them.” – Benjamin Franklin

“Religious hatreds ought not to be propagated at all, but certainly not on a tax-exempt basis.” – James A. Michener

“The need for religion will end when man becomes sensible enough to govern himself.” – Francisco Ferrer Guardia

“The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason.” – Benjamin Franklin

“The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” – John Adams

Why are we [Christians] so surprised when our nation, its government officials, or any of its inhabitants act in a way that is contrary to God’s Word? Is it because there are a few vague statements in our founding documents that refer to God? Is it because the very first inhabitants of this land came here from England seeking a place they could worship freely? [Wait a minute… they weren’t really the first inhabitants of the land, were they? Some would say that we sorta stole it from the ‘first inhabitants’, in our effort to ‘worship freely’,… but let’s not talk about that.]

I would suggest the thing we have been calling ‘Christianity’… isn’t really very ‘Christ-like’ at all. Former slave, Frederick Douglas, said it perfectly, “Between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference – so wide, that to receive the one as good, pure, and holy is of necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and wicked… I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ; I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land. Indeed, I can see no reason, but the most deceitful one, for calling the religion of this land ‘Christianity’.” – Frederick Douglas, Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglas, an American Slave, Written by Himself (1845; New York: Signet, 1968), 120.

Has anything changed? How authentically ‘Christ-like’ is America today? How genuinely ‘like Jesus’ are those who profess to follow Him?

According to their web-site, The 700 Club can be seen in 96 percent of the homes in the U.S. and is carried on ABC Family cable network, FamilyNet, Trinity Broadcasting Network, plus numerous local U.S. television stations, and is seen daily by approximately one million viewers. CBN WorldReach broadcasts, which include international editions of The 700 Club, have aired in more than 100 languages, can be seen in over 200 countries, and are accessible throughout the year to more than 1.5 billion people around the world. On August 22, 2005 Pat Robertson bluntly stated, “We have the ability to take [Hugo Chavez] out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability.” That is an interesting opinion, and one that I do not share. Why? Because it doesn’t exactly seem to be something Jesus would do.

Ann Coulter, a radio/television talking head who claims Christian beliefs and is praised by numerous conservative Christian personalities, states, “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war.”

Jerry Falwell, an evangelical fundamentalist Southern Baptist pastor, televangelist, and a conservative commentator from the United States , stated, “You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And I’m for the President to chase them all over the world. If it takes ten years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” What ever happened to turning the other cheek, and much of Jesus’ message in Luke 6?

Why do Christ-followers concern themselves so deeply with the kingdoms of this world, but seemingly ignore the Kingdom of God? Listen, I’m not saying that we rise up and revolt against our American government, because they are not Christian. Absolutely not. I am saying that many of the voices that supposedly represent ‘Christianity’ are saying things that aren’t necessarily all that Christ-like. Are we not called to be “in the world, but not of this world”? We submit to Christ first, and as we live as aliens and strangers to the powers of this world, we submit to our governing authorities second.

Someone much wiser than me has said, “You can’t blame a sinner for sinning”. I believe that is true. I can’t go to Chic-Fil-A and complain that they don’t make good tacos. They don’t make tacos! That’s not their thing! In much the same way, I can’t complain about my government or country for acting like something they simply aren’t. All I can do is submit to my God-given authorities, always understanding that my life is woven into a larger tapestry of being a Christian who lives as an alien and stranger to the ways of this world.

I was listening to someone talk about how dreadful it would be if America ever elected a Mormon into the White House, or God-forbid, a Muslim. My response is, “Why?” What difference is there between them and any other person who isn’t sold out for the cause of Jesus Christ? None. What difference is there between them and someone who claims a belief in Christ, but finds no problems with lying, cheating or some other ‘sin’? None.

It’s a country… that’s it. Ever heard the saying, ‘a house is just a house, but, the family within that house is what makes it a home’? So too, this country is just a country. This planet of ours has lots of countries… and Jesus died for the people that reside in all of them. What truly matters is our God, and His eternal, unseen Kingdom. It would be nice if the supposedly ‘Christian-talking heads’ spoke about that Kingdom a little more often, and stopped dramatizing how awful America is.

Jesus isn’t American… Chic-Fil-A doesn’t make tacos… the United States isn’t a Christian nation… but I’m still darn lucky to live here and proud of those who've made that possible. However, what I'm most proud of is not my nationality, but the fact that I've been adopted into God's family and am called a child of God. My first desire will always be to see "His Kingdom come and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".

14 comments:

  1. I just read your blog. It is really good. A great point. I love to be reminded and given perspective on who I am and my real purpose for living! I think that you summed it all pretty good! Where did you get all those quotes? They are pretty disturbing. I am glad to be reminded that I am first a child of God and then an American. You are great at writing and expressing ideas!

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  2. Thanks for this comment. The quotes came from a small book I picked up called, "The Atheist's Bible: an illustrious collection of irreverent thoughts" - conceived and edited by Joan Konner (HarperCollins Publishers 2007).Sadly, this small, pathetic, little book is a national bestseller.

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  3. Here's more for your story, it's titled "Why U.S. Is Not A Christian Nation" and it's at: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/04/davis.jefferson.other.words/

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  4. I am not sure how anyone can believe that we are a christian nation when our biggest government program is war. Our delusion of living in a "christian nation" has become an excuse to be complacent and not accept our responsibility to love our neighbor. We will make a bigger impact on our country if we would simply make following Jesus a bigger priority than spending so much effort on christianizing our government.

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  5. this one really disturbed me,and made me think long and hard. I read a lot of history,a lot of American history.I've found the best 'History' is told in the actual words of the ones making the History. In this case the words of our Founders. Falwell,Coulter,Michener,George Bernard Shaw,Ralph Waldo Emerson; don't count-and frankly don't matter in this case.It REALLY bothers me to see you use quotes from an Atheist author who takes parts out of context to make his Atheist points. the 'not christian' Lies about the founding fathers have Purposely been told SO many times now that people believe they are true. I dare Anyone to read all of Adam's-John or Sam-writings and tell me they weren't Christian and didn't think they were forming a Christian Nation.OR Washington.Or Franklin. Or Jefferson.

    MY POINT is this, I've read the letters/etc.. written by Adams & his wife, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, John Adams, and more.I know that I know that I KNOW they were devote Christians. And they FIRMLY believed they were forming a Christian Nation. And they did. They believed the American experiment of Freedom was happening by 'Devine Providence'. AND They gave GOD FULL and Absolute credit for America and our freedom over and over and OVER in their writings. But you know what? I was NEVER taught 'Devine providence' in school. I was taught Andrew Jackson's 'manifest destiny'. Pretty much the exact opposite of Devine Providence. Anyway, Our Founders intended to, and DID from a Christian Nation.What we did with it is another story. Their intent was for ALL regions to be FREE to worship GOD how ever they wished. Hence the Term 'Freedom OF religion, Not freedom from Religion.
    BUT-as I mentioned Andrew Jackson started to change things.Then Woodrow Wilson Began rewriting history and planting seeds of 'social justice' under the term 'Progressive',because the term Liberal was disliked so much. I've not been able to find 'social justice' in the bible. FDR drove the roots of Progressive social justice deep. Creating a permeant Nanny state. the Founders believed in the people and the churches helping each other. they feared too much central government would be Bad. They knew strong Christian Morals would be needed to make the American experiment work. When the American Revolution started the first thing England did was try to arrest/kill the Pastors/Preachers/spiritual leaders of the colonies. the 'Black Robe regiment'. England knew without Christian Leaders the States would be divided & easily beaten.
    SO fast forward to my 2nd POINT-
    We are no longer a Christian Nation. and so we are no longer an honorable nation,because we no longer honor GOD. In 1962 we took God out of our schools, education has gone down hill since that time. coincidence? I think not. In the 1960's and 1970's our country tossed God under the bus,then backed up over him a few times for good measure. All under the banner of 'Peace,love,rock-n-roll,& sex'. lots and lots of sex. See any Irony- 'Peace & Love'?
    So I do agree we are NOT a christ-like Nation NOW. BUT I believe America WAS Christian Nation founded BY Christians. For All religions to worship God freely.
    LAST side note. The most radical,sold out for Jesus, willing to go to any lengths for Jesus, crazy in love with GOD,giving all credit to GOD for All things person that has ever walked in North America was Gorge Washington. You can not Read 'George Washington's Sacred Fire' and come to ANY other conclusion. In His OWN words. If not for Washington and his sold out for Christ faith none of us would be here today as FREE Americans. But takes NO credit-EVER-for himself. To his dying day he gave all praise, credit,& glory to God for everything he was EVER able to accomplish. when I grow up I wanna be like him.

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  6. Branion,
    I appreciate all you've written and studied. Thank you for posting this. Really good stuff! I too, have read much of what you've talked about (letters from Adams & his wife, Washington's notes, etc) and see much that points to individuals that were deeply committed to God. The point of my blog is to challenge those that are 'slamming' America and constantly pointing to how far we've strayed from our Christian roots as a nation, all the while remaining silent about the true Kingdom of God. The superior attitude that I see in many Americans, even American-Christians, over other people from other nations is something that I frown upon. As I stated, I'm grateful for those who've gone before us that WERE dedicated to the Lord Jesus Christ, but long to be someone who loves, obeys, and lives for Him and His Kingdom in these days.
    On a side-note, George Washington was remarkable, and I 100% agree with you assessment of him.

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  7. I was going to agree to disagree on this blog just to avoid getting into any sort of debate, but I am in agreement with a great deal of what Branion said and I also do agree that America WAS a Christian Nation. Anyone wanting to know more and have an intimate look into the life of George Washington has to read Sacred Fire. Amazing book capturing the true persona of one of our founding fathers and first president.

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  8. Dear brokentogether,

    Thanks for commenting. Reading what you just wrote, I guess I'm not seeing what it is that you must 'agree to disagree' with about my blog. I never said anything negative about George Washington. (And you're right, Sacred Fire rocks). I also never said that America was NEVER a Christian nation... I only questioned it by saying that "I'm not so sure". It's interesting to me how this subject, and my wording, is being interpreted. Also interesting how the main point concerning God's Kingdom that I brought up (and was the purpose of this blog) is not being mentioned, only the defense of this kingdom's (America's) forefathers. I think I should have been clearer in my writing and for that I apologize.

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  9. Pastor Michael,

    I noticed you removed the part about being stunned. Please dont feel like you have to dance a line with me in regards to what you say. Im OK with you speaking your thoughts and I can disagree with you and still like you and love you as my pastor. You are more than welcome to email or call me and we can discuss if need be.

    As to your comment, here is what was said,

    "To be honest, I wonder if it ever was." [referring to America as a Christian Nation]

    "...the United States isn’t a Christian nation…"

    When these two quotes are coupled together (a reference to it's beginning and current state), along with quotes that only support a view that America never was a Christian Nation, or the implication that its foundational purpose was not such with no additional supporting quotes to say that maybe it was...That is what got me really thinking about the post. I guess the reason I didnt focus on the part about God's Kingdom is that I am in complete agreeement with you about that part. I should have pointed out my disagreement in your approach to the argument you were using, but also let you know that I am in agreement with your main conclusion. I could have done a much better job of clarifying that part of it.

    You already stated above that you should be clearer in your writing so this last little paragraph may just be a moot point, but I wanted to give you a glimpse into how I read what you said.

    I also think it is important to remember our past as a nation and as people (colletively and individually), both good and bad, for experience is the greatest educator and deliverer of wisdom. If I, much like my country, forget the battle that ensued for my soul and my personal freedoms, along with our freedoms as a country, than I am much more likely to fall into that same hole, except next time, the climb to get out, and the battle that will ensue, will be much more difficult to overcome. Therefore, I think the topic as it relates to the founding of this nation is very important.

    Jesus will always be my savior and I will worship God as God. I cannot trust this country and it's government to men and women who are sinners just like me, but I can trust that through people...again...broken just like me, God will and has been trusted with this country from the very first day that the people who fled from religous persecution for freedom, stepped foot on this soil.

    Love you man!!!

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  10. Appreciated this post so much.

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  11. First, although I really enjoy all things history, including reading/studying original documents, I appear to be out of my league in terms of sheer volume of material having been consumed by some of the other commenters. :-) I humbly confess my deficiencies in this area and admit I needed to spend some time researching a few things in my own personal library and online before tackling an on-going & ever-wideningly divisive subject such as our nation's religious heritage and status.

    So, after reading Pastor Michael's blog post and everyone's comments, as well as several other resources, I hope you don't mind that I weighed in with some thoughts...

    http://leaningintograce.tumblr.com/post/7486090794/foundingfathers

    Thanks, PMC, for always inspiring me to keep my eyes lifted, heart bowed, feet serving, mind thinking, and fingers moving through the pages of God's Word! :-)

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  12. Wow Michael, you really know how to stir the pot. Great post!

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  13. Thanks Marcus (and others) that have commented here. I didn't intentionally try and STIR THE POT, I was simply communicating what was on my heart. Everyone doesn't have to agree with that. Oftentimes, after a few days, I'll wish that I had worded things a bit differently. However, after re-reading my post this morning, I can honestly say that I wouldn't change anything. I stand by what I've written here and consider it something that is truthful, challenging and even edifying to the Body of Christ (or I wouldn't have wasted my time... or I'd simply delete it).

    I've been accused of being unpatriotic before, and I will be again. To stand up and declare that I pledge allegiance to another KINGDOM (God's), rather than to America is probably a bit radical. I get that. I love America, but I also love the Philippines, Guatemala, Mexico, Japan, China, Haiti (the countries I've personally visited) and all the countries I've never had a chance to travel to.

    For some reason certain folks don't like to hear a preacher speak disparaging about the USA, it's roots, it's past, present, or future. I really don't know how often I've heard, "Michael, I fought for this country" or "My son (or daughter) are fighting right now and the way you talk is an insult to them". I sure don't mean to insult anyone. I appreciate anyone who serves or has served. I appreciate, as I've already said in this post, all those who have been dedicated to the Lord Jesus Christ in this nation's history. But Jesus didn't die on the Cross so that I could be a good American... He didn't die on the Cross so that I'd be patriotic... He didn't die on the Cross so that I could live in a free country... He didn't die on the Cross so that I could pursue my own happiness. Jesus died on the Cross so that I could be ushered into a whole new Kingdom - one where the King is eternal, and sinless, and loving, and holy, and almighty! That Kingdom is happening... now!

    That's what I'll be spending my time thinking, writing, and talking about. That's what I'll be concerned with. If that stirs pots... I guess it stirs pots. God bless.

    "Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ." - Galations 1:10

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